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The Winner Of Debate II? 'That One'
Arianna Huffington 10/9/2008
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In Debate II, John McCain twice laid out the criteria for how the American people should judge the candidates: In tough times, we need someone with a steady hand on the tiller.

By that measure, Obama was the clear winner. He was centered where McCain was scattered. Forceful where McCain was forced. Presidential where McCain was petulant.

In the first debate, McCain wouldn't look at Obama. In this one, he referred to him as "that one." The contempt was palpable, and unpalatable.

In the run-up to the debate, McCain lowered himself into the sewer in a desperate attempt to portray Obama as dangerous, untrustworthy, a risk too big to take.

But Obama's measured reasonableness totally countered that caricature. You could fault Obama for not being particularly inspiring, but you could not miss the rock steady competence he exuded -- authoritatively delivering substantive answers to questions on the economy, health care, taxes and foreign policy.

He scored with his history lesson, reminding voters of the economy the Republicans inherited, and how they squandered that inheritance.

He scored with his reminder of how much the war in Iraq is costing America and the enormous strain that puts on our economy -- as well as our national security.

He scored when
he declared that affordable health care is a "right" of every American and not, as McCain put it, a "responsibility" of . . . he actually didn't specify who.

And Obama scored big when he gave voice to the vast gulf between the two candidates' -- and the two parties' -- position on the role of government in our lives, invoking JFK's commitment to put a man on the moon in 10 years as an example of what can be done in fueling a new alternative energy-based economy, and pointing out how government investment played a key role in developing the tech advances that have driven our economy for the last two decades.

McCain, like Palin last week, couldn't decide if government is the enemy or the deep-pocketed benefactor that is going to buy up all the bad mortgages in America.

Is "a government-bought house on every lot" the 21st century equivalent of "a chicken in every pot"?

McCain also provided the debate's strangest moments, twice chiding Obama for backing an "overhead projector" in a planetarium, and raising the idea of "gold-plated Cadillac" insurance policies that pay for hair transplants. Huh?

McCain also told us he knows how to fix the economy, knows how to win wars, and knows how to capture bin Laden. Is there a reason he's keeping all these a secret?

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Posted By: Ecor  on Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Article????  A crap-load of liberal BS.  YOu should view the multitude of cartoons from Oz (Australia)that I received recently.  Want to see them? Contact me at don_gh@hotmail.com.  Please, no 'hate-mail' from inferior minds...


Posted By: jack sprat  on Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Ecor

Don't "you no never mind" the Republican turned loon, after all she made her money writing about how evil the SUV was, while driving one. I used to watch her on TV supporting the Republicans, but apparently after she got the heave ho by Mr. Money, she had to make up the dip in income some how.


Posted By: Jack  on Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Great article, Arianna. Don't let these guys kid you... you have a LOT OF FANS out here, who love hearing from you. I'm sure you really get under their skin with all your good, common sense. The Republicans just get so annoyed when they get a good "checkmate" from the Liberals who are just as patriotic as they are and more concerned about the good of our citizenry than these fake "country first-ers" who only think of patriotism in terms of war.



We hear a lot of comparisons when talking about the need to break the addiction to oil, but the one that comes to mind for me is cigarette smoking. After all the brain-washing and revenue that the tobacco companies stood to lose by being honest about the health dangers and changing their business plan for the good of our people (now they just sell it in the third world countries). Hard thing to do, but who ever dreamed it would become so cool to ask the cigarette smokers to sit down.  It happened, but not without government encouragement. Same with oil. Some of the largest and most profitable companies in the US stand to lose a lot, but look at what it will do for our country! Wouldn't it be great to develop new sources of energy, keep our money, and forever silence the Middle East?  Even if it costs twice as much initially?  It would create many new jobs and propel us into the future. How many more State of the Union addresses do we have to endure which mention our addiction to oil while we have done nothing to address it?



Personally, I smell a rat every time I see how much gas prices have declined over the last month "due to decreased demand."  Bull crap.  I don't think most people have that much discretion in how and where they drive.  There is a heavy hand behind the scenes influencing the gas prices during our corresponding time of "severe economic distress."  High gas prices deserve a great deal of credit for de-stabilizing our economy while the government also sat by (as they did with the mortgage issue) and let things take their course -and made some folks very wealthy in the process! Pillaging and plundering.



And another thing: All this talk about Americans living beyond their means... the U.S. Consumer will be sorely missed when he is gone. Be good to him because with him will go many of our jobs as well as jobs around the world.  A true world economy is a tough thing to get a handle on, but don't scold and scare the consumer into burying everything he makes.  It will only compound our problems.  


Posted By: Chaser  on Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Slice it any way you want it, Republicans (yes, you Ecor) you had your eight years and you made a spectacular fustercluck of the entire world---our military, our economy and our tolerance of each other here at home. This has been the most divisive and demeaning administration I've ever seen or even read about. You had your eight years, time to get out of the way and let's see if we can't clean up your mess.

Awesome article, Arianna--and thank you. My vote is being cast for the only ticket that can help restore sanity to the White House, OBAMA-BIDEN.


Posted By: fencerider rob  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

I'm sure you meant inanity, Chaser. That's what you'll be getting with that one and say it ain't so joe. Don't you just love her use of "facts" in her piece, oh that's right she doesn't use any just opines like a spoiled brat.


Posted By: boelander  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

I just love this. A liberal candidate takes the high road, shows restraint and intelligence, and the "liberal" comments do the same. W's troops use a bunch of old lines and name-calling. This is great! BTW, thanks Ms. Huffington


Posted By: Stug  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

"Republicans... made a spectacular fustercluck of the entire world---our military, our economy and our tolerance of each other here at home. This has been the most divisive and demeaning administration I've ever seen. You had your eight years, time to get out of the way and let's see if we can't clean up your mess."

Well said.


Posted By: jack sprat  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Would the "high road" of the liberal candidate include tee shirts with Palin and the "c" word, classy.

Love the La La land thought of the constant race card drum, how about the "and he can't even use the internet" ad that MIA Joe (clean and articulate) Biden denounced, for a very short time. 'Cides just can't believe that anyone whose fingers were crushed and his arms pulled out of the sockets can't just buckel down and type. Gee, BO talks out of both sides of his mouth daily, and the moon beams lap it up.

Well as Uncle Joe Stalin said of the useful idiots, tell a big enough lie and you can get the stupid to believe anything.

Hey, Heroine of the loon beams, did you ever get rid of the SUV?


Posted By: Lynne  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

If there is anyone in this campaign who is "classy", Sprat, it is Barack Obama.



Sarah Palin is a stuffed shirt--a female version of David Duke. Do you actually listen to the hate speech coming from her pretty mouth? I wonder if she eats with that mouth.



She is a demagogue, pure and simple. So she cheers for her kids at hockey games. Duh. So she fancies her message as appealing to "Joe Six-Pack". Just who is Joe Six-Pack anyway? Me? Nope. Apparently, he isn't a female, which I am. Is he white, black, red, brown or yellow? Does he work for a living or just burp his afternoon away in front of the tv? Does he listen to Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC or CBS,or CNN? Where does he live? City, country, suburbs, flatlands, mountains, farms or ranches, or homeless, on the street? Who is this elusive creature? Maybe its really Big Foot with a roof over his head and a tv set with rabbit ears. Maybe it's a Malibu millionaire with a big fridge that can hold multiple six-packs. Beats me--I've searched for Joe Six-Pack and can't find him.



But one thing is abundantly clear--the McCain/Palin rallies, and the Palin rallies in particular, resemble Ku Klux Klan rallies without the sheets.



Remember Joe McCarthy? I do. Hey! MAYBE HE'S THE JOE SIX-PACK! That fits. Son-of-a-gun. Found him!


Posted By: Lynne  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

This Bud's for Jack (NOT Jack Sprat. Puhleeze!)



Very. Well. Said, Jack. Wish I were as articulate as you.



I can see a teeny bit of gas price drop this time of year, but this is a bit much, isn't it? Gas always drops just before an election. Just as all the prostitutes were wiped off the face of the streets just before elections for county sheriff. Supply and demand my foot--it's just cause and effect.


Posted By: M. B.  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

First of all this article is so biased it cant even get the facts straight.  Did u watch the election?! As i recall McCain did specify the "responsibility" as the responsibility of the government to its people.  And second, lets face it, whats gotten us into more debt than the space program? Do u kno y americans lost theyre first enthusiasm? Because we were spending money that didnt exist, see if u transfer debt it does NOT become money!!! The debt in Iraq CANNOT be transferred! Money that doesnt exist can't be used! U want to lower debt? than stop using imaginary money.



I dont care if u bash McCain... but bash him for REAL issues! Whereas with Obama? If your gonna praise him praise him for his views, not just because u think he has a pretty voice.



O and Lynne, if ur white does that make u part of the Ku Klux Klan? Lemme ask u, whose racist, Palin who wants to change the country, or the girl thats saying Palins racist because shes running against a black man?


Posted By: Good Life  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Jack--Where did you find those T-shirts?  You must find some interesting web sites.


Posted By: John Handforth  on Wednesday, October 15, 2008

There was a lot said here and even more that should not have been said here.  Some of them are the little things like, "At the end of the debate, Brokaw asked McCain to get out of the way of his Teleprompter, so he could sign off."  Senator McCain had risen to shake Senator Obama's hand and he did obscure the teleprompter.  The actual wording was, "That concludes tonight's debate from here in Nashville. We want to thank our hosts here at Belmont University in Nashville and the Commission on Presidential Debates. And you're in my way of my script there, if you will move."  Not quite the same thing.  If anything, the fault lies in the studio/event planning.

Arianna, why didn't you refer to THE SAINTLY OBAMA as Clarence Page did in his column?  You might also have suggested that John McCain resign from his candidacy, so that Senator Obama can run unopposed again or maybe accept the Presidency by default and save the taxpayers the expense of an election.  I have actually seen that suggested elsewhere.

Your description of John McCain during the debate reminded me of my dog slinking around when he knows that he has done something wrong.  I have to admit that Senator Obama is a better trained and more capable speaker than Senator McCain.  Tom Brokaw is better than both of them.  Should we all just vote for Tom?

The point is that being a good speaker is definitely helpful for a President, but it is not the only qualification needed.  A President needs intelli