Posted By: fencerider rob on Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Thank you Phil, we only need the rest of the media to follow your lead and expose BHO for what he really is, BIG BROTHER!!
Posted By: John Handforth on Tuesday, October 14, 2008
You were close, Rob!I think that you meant to say was BIG BASTARD.
I hate to say this, because it will penalize a lot of legitimate first-time voters.We have a choice of invalidating ALL new voter registrations that were submitted less than a month before registration closed, OR, asking for proper identification after a voter signs to vote.Voting is not just a right, it is a responsibility. In big cities like Chicago and New York it was once common for people to vote in several precincts 100-150 years ago. Apparently, the practice still goes on in Chicago.Why should a person of low moral fiber be allowed to represent themselves under different names to vote multiple times? It's not fair to the rest of us that obey the law. People that give false names to vote should be arrested and given the maximum punishment allowed. If they cannot provide proof of who they are, they should not be allowed to vote.Enforcing something like that could cause greater changes than we may immediately appreciate.See you at the polls......but only voting once.
Posted By: Jeff on Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Oh Phil! Come now! Slip out of those jackboots and Nazi togs and Repug goose-stepping forays, and openly identify yourself for the cowardly traitor that you are. Why need you - like all the rest of your weak fellows - nit neath some phony character assassination? Be a big boy, Phil. Puke up your putridity in a more open manner. Neh?
Posted By: dave on Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Voter ID essentially is a poll tax, since you have to pay for an ID. So it's prima-facie unconstitutional. Sorry. Hey, while you're talking about election fraud, why not talk about how the last two presidental elections were stolen? Please. Hypocrisy at its worst.
Posted By: John Handforth on Thursday, October 16, 2008
Voter ID is a poll tax? How did they drive to the polls? Do they have a bank card? Many bank cards now require your picture.If you can't qualify for a Driver's License, you can always get a State Identification card from the Driver's License Bureau for a minimal fee. I don't know about where you live, but I couldn't cash or write a check without picture ID.What's the problem? Are your voting names all different from your valid identification?If you can't prove who you really are, then your vote is tainted.Do you want to see a repeat of the 2000 and 2004 elections? We will always have doubt about those, so let's eliminate the problem.
Posted By: Good Life on Friday, October 17, 2008
Handforth--They don't drive to the polls. My mother is 83. She doesn't drive. No she doesn't have a bank card and neither do I. "Driver's License Bureau for a minimal fee" That fee and the time off work to get it is the problem for the poor. $2 is a lot of money when you're making minimum wage. The old southern "poll tax" wasn't much to the average worker, but it kept the poor (mostly black) from voting. Here in Missouri, we can take a utility bill or most other mail that shows where someone lives.
Posted By: John Handforth on Friday, October 17, 2008
Good Life - Like you I live in a small farming community. It's a 75 mile round trip to the Mayo Clinic. A driver's license is a necessity here, since we have no public transportation.I can cash a check locally because I am known. I cannot write a check in Rochester without a driver's license AND a major credit card. The Mayo Clinic wants the driver's license, credit card, Medicare card and my secondary insurance card before I can get treatment. That's life in the big city, where too many people try to get something for nothing. I've got a wallet full of I.D., several of which have my ugly face on them.I would even accept a Social Security card, if they also had, like you suggest, a couple of utility bills in the same name. The address on the bill puts you in the correct voting precinct. Your verifiable name keeps you from voting in several places.I am sorry, but voting fraud is no longer an isolated issue in a local county. It has become a National problem and this is a VERY pivotal election. I can't complain about my preferred candidate losing if the other candidate was elected by real people.
Handforth--I happen to be on the local election board so these questions come up. In a rural area it is rather easy in Missouri because if a member of the board knows the person they can vote. And since I carry the rural mail part time, I know most everyone. We do have everyone show their driver's or another id if they have it but as I said a "proof of residence" is all the rules say. So we have had some come in with a utility bill or even a copy of their lease. We take pretty much anything. If in doubt they can do a provisional ballot, but we've never had one since I've been there.But I can also see how it could be a problem in a city or even large town where the board doesn't know 1% of the voters.
Posted By: Patriot Tom on Wednesday, October 22, 2008
The sad thing is when some talking head tries to make this into a real issue. The problems with the last two elections have been voting machines, hanging chads, incompetent voting polls, incredibly long lines for minorities, etc. Has everyone forgotten the Texas firm Florida hired to take charge of voting (no experience, good political connections, ability to give the desired result,etc.)? This is just intentional distraction from the real voting fraud!
Posted By: John Handforth on Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Patriot Tom ---Good post.
